Calvin Tilokee 0:02
Hello and welcome to the midlife crisis podcast. I’m your host Calvin, also known as Revparblems on Instagram. I’m excited to do this talk show with my best friends from high school and college. Steven Mikko, what can you expect on this podcast? Well, I like to call it a talk show for Men of a Certain Age. We’re not quite old. But we’re the kind of guys that have to make sure we don’t miss our alcohol and a night out, you know, we’ll chat about current events, trending topics, and things that we just need to get on our soapbox about knowing us. We’ll be laughing the whole time. And ladies, don’t worry. If you ever wanted to know what your husband or boyfriend talks about in the man cave. Stick around. Now, keep in mind, we’re old enough to remember when Parental Advisory stickers went on CDs. If you don’t know what CDs are, you’re too young for this podcast. Speaking of which, make sure you have your headphones in. It’s NSFW as these kids say. We’ll be bringing that flavor to your weekly on your way to work while you’re shaving. Or just sitting around wondering why a backer but let’s get this show on the road. Hello and welcome to midlife crisis podcast. I’m your host Calvin cave, as always with my boy Steven Mikko, bringing that flavor to you here on a weekly basis. Today’s episode is called Ask a gay dude. I got my friend Luis Lizarazo, aka sensor Eclair, and president of variado talent here to help us get to the bottom of things pun intended. Steve is missing all the fun because he’s taking a PTO day apparently. So as always, we’ll bring you out Chris Rock quote of the week. I don’t know that shit. I don’t like that jerk. And get off my lawn. But first how’s the week Mikko?

Mikko Miller 1:35
short week nothing much happened. I’m just trying to figure out what the fuck California wants to do with its weather because it’s 80 degrees. One day, I’m wearing shorts and a T shirt. And today I’m in the fucking long Johnson a hoodie.

Calvin Tilokee 1:47
So how cool is it today?

Mikko Miller 1:50
You know, for us. 50 is cold. So it’s like 51

Calvin Tilokee 1:53
Yeah, no, I feel you. I feel you. Damn, that’s a big drop in a couple of days, though.

Mikko Miller 1:57
Yeah, I mean, it’s snowed again in San Diego today.

Calvin Tilokee 2:01
It’s snow in San Diego.

Mikko Miller 2:04
Yeah, it’s fucking crazy, man. It’s crazy. But, you know, global pandemic and whatnot. Greenhouse Effect. What else?

Yeah, what else? Can we blame it on? Trump? Can we? Yeah,

Calvin Tilokee 2:17
we still we still got a few more days to blame it on Trump. Sure. Sure, sure. I mean, it’s gonna take at least what you know, when you start a job is like a 90 day grace period, right. So we could blame him until at least April. And then after that, we can start blaming Biden, for sure. It was cool, man, we go school. I’m gonna save the football talk for next week. Since you know we got a couple weeks here and between between the Super Bowl so I’ll save that I think that might actually inspire next week’s episode because I finally figured out what my real demon is and the situation with this. Tom Brady Belichick buccaneers thing and Bruce Arians really triggers me because he reminds me of some bosses that I’ve had. Okay, and I think we could actually go into that in the whole episode. So I’m gonna say because Super Bowls coming up. But this week, I’ve been rereading some old classics. So this week, I finished the Count of Monte Cristo. Oh, have you ever read that book?

Mikko Miller 3:18
Long, long, long, long, long time ago?

Calvin Tilokee 3:20
Yeah. So I got back into reading these type of books, because I don’t know if you ever watched Black Sails when it was on TV. Thank you. So come on stars. But basically that show Yeah, it was pirates. That show was a prequel to Treasure Island. And once I found that out, I reread Treasure Island, and the show got immensely better because it was like you were just getting everyone’s backstory.

Mikko Miller 3:43
That’s a Robert Louis Stevenson. Right.

Calvin Tilokee 3:46
Exactly. Yeah. So I went back and started rereading these kinds of books. And the Count of Monte Cristo, I always kind of knew it was it was like cautionary tale about revenge. So like, super quick synopsis is young man, he gets framed for something by three people. One of these people steals his childhood sweetheart, they said he gets sent off to jail without a trial or anything. So he gets out later, after meeting someone in jail, who told him about a treasure that he had buried on the island of Monte Cristo. So that’s why he comes out, he gets that treasure, and calls himself that it’s a boatload of cash and now he starts his whole life is like getting back at these people. All right, so it is these three people that he gets back at. And again, I’ve always heard that this was supposed to be like, Well, you know, if you go and get revenge, it’s not worth it. and blah, blah, blah, right. And for most of the story, you kind of I mean, I’m big on revenge. So I was like, right, this just seemed pretty sweet to me. Like, I don’t really, I don’t see no problems here until he gets to the point where he gets rid of the third person. And the way he did that was by getting the guy’s wife to kill his whole family. And then she kills herself. But when she kills herself, she kills the baby too, because she’s like, well, I need to be with my son. And he didn’t really account for that part. And that’s when he was kind of like, Yo, I might have gone too far. Right? So then I’m thinking, Okay, I see what’s happening. But then the last chapter, he goes back to Monte Cristo, with this younger guy that I was like a son of a friend of his. And this, the book ends with him. There was a young girl that he that he bought as a slave at some point during, you know, during the story. And she was part of putting somebody behind bars, because she had she had a story that incriminated someone, but the story ends with him and her sailing off into the sunset because he’s like, I’m gonna kill myself now. Because I’ve done all these things. My sweetheart doesn’t want me because I’ve changed and blah, blah, blah. But she’s like, I love you. And he’s like, oh, word. Alright. So let’s just say off into the sunset. I was like, I don’t see any problems here.

Mikko Miller 6:01
No issue whatsoever.

Calvin Tilokee 6:03
He’s still rich. He got he got the entire fortune. And he got a younger he got a younger boo, and then I don’t really see the problem. I must be missing something.

Mikko Miller 6:14
That was a comeup

Calvin Tilokee 6:17
exactly, exactly. I mean, that, that that messaging was lost on me. But boy, anyway, anyway, so we’re gonna keep it tight. Up at the top today, because we’ve got Mr. Luis Lizarazo, joining us, a good friend of mine. We’ve been colleagues for some years now. He might remember how many years but it’s been a while we’ve worked together. For a while, Luis has branched out and started variado talent management. He also has a drag persona called Sancerre Eclair, which we excited to learn more about. So let’s welcome Luis to the man cave.

Luis Lizarazo 6:54
Hi, guys. Thanks so much for having me. It’s really exciting to be here.

Calvin Tilokee 6:58
Hello sir. So we I gotta tell you, you are the first male to join us in the man cave.

Luis Lizarazo 7:05
Oh, thank you so much. Yes. Exciting.

Calvin Tilokee 7:08
Yeah, many have been invited, but only females have decided they were brave enough to join the man cave. And, you know, not sure what that says. But well done to you for being the first guy to step in.

Luis Lizarazo 7:21
Well, I will say that Sancerre has made me braver. So maybe there’s some female component to my bravery here.

Calvin Tilokee 7:30
Maybe, maybe,

Mikko Miller 7:31
maybe.

Calvin Tilokee 7:34
So again, welcome. Welcome, man. And, you know, we’ll start it off with the obvious question. How are things for you? How is 2020 treated you in? You know, how’s life right now?

Luis Lizarazo 7:45
Ah, thanks. Yeah. Well, first of all, thanks so much for having me on. It was great to hear from you. I’m such a fan and supporter of everything you do. And we, you know, I think have done a good job of staying in touch. We met I believe, and like I started at Expedia in 2012. So we probably met that year.

Calvin Tilokee 8:07
Oh, okay.

Luis Lizarazo 8:08
So we’ve known each other for a while now. And I am really happy to have started this new business. I had left Expedia. After I was there seven years, I went to an influencer marketing company and was working on travel, it was awesome. I was meeting with Hyatt and working with Amazon and all these really awesome brands. But then COVID hit, and my travel pipeline kind of dried up. So I wasn’t sure what to do with the rest of the year. I talked to my mom and my mom was a talent agent, and then the manager. And now she’s a casting director. And she started to really find some success recently. And the first thing she said was, you’re going to start a business, you’re going to start a talent management business. And I said, Okay, I’ll do that tomorrow. It’s been really yeah. And ever since then. I mean, I just really haven’t looked back. I’ve been so fortunate that this is sort of in my blood. And I have my mom’s support. And I’m building the foundation for success, because they’ll say the economy a small is not what it was before. And so there aren’t as many jobs but I’m finding a real community. And I think I’m finding a lot of success by tapping into just giving people a little bit of hope and authenticity. So I started my own podcast recently. Now, it’s been really good creatively. I’m feeling very open.

Calvin Tilokee 9:50
That’s great, man. Yeah, that’s awesome. I mean, that’s similar to how we started this podcast, and even me starting my social media business. It was you know, I got laid off And then I took two days to be pissed and mope around. And then I was like, Okay, well, you’re not going to do that for six, eight months, you got, you know, start doing something. And yeah, just kind of switch gears. And along the way, I had got invited to a few podcasts. And I started listening to more of them. And there was a woman on the no vacancy podcast that I always forget her name, but you know what her message got through. So I guess that’s the important part. But she just said, you know, the most important thing you can do to push her brand over the next three to five years is podcast, podcast, podcast. And then it was like, Damn, know, something else to do? You know. And I was like, I don’t want to do this alone. And I got in touch with Mikko, I got in touch with Steve, who’s normally on the show with us. And within a week, we were like, okay, yeah, we’re doing this. We ordered microphones and just started recording. And here we are. Episode 26. Now, you know, so,

Luis Lizarazo 10:56
yeah, you just got to start doing it. And I yeah, I’ve been listening. I love it. It’s, it’s really fun to hear you guys talk. And another thing. That’s great to hear and something that I love seeing is that it’s bringing the three of you together to when we’re all not together right now. And that’s really just a sign of like the human spirit, you know?

Calvin Tilokee 11:22
No, that’s a great point. That’s a great point. Yeah. I mean, I haven’t talked to these guys this much ever since.

Luis Lizarazo 11:31
High School in college, right?

Mikko Miller 11:32
Yeah. I

Calvin Tilokee 11:33
mean, in high school, obviously, we

Luis Lizarazo 11:35
haven’t spoken to each other this much

Calvin Tilokee 11:36
ever. No, they didn’t even know each other

Mikko Miller 11:39
before. Right. Exactly. That’s what he that’s what Yeah.

Calvin Tilokee 11:42
Yeah. So I mean, it’s Yeah, it’s cool. Like, now we catch up every week. So I know what’s going on with these guys now. So. Yeah, very cool.

Luis Lizarazo 11:51
Yeah, it’s great. It’s community. You know, I think it’s really important right now that everybody kind of find a sense of community. And I think one thing, I’m happy about us, and I’m hoping variado is creating a community. And so I’m putting a lot out there, so that people feel close to me. And that’s where the podcast came from. I have to say, I have this amazing intern, like, I’ve never worked with an intern by myself before. You know, like, this is my company. So he’s my intern. And he is just so hard working and amazing. And it was really his idea to start doing the podcast. So it’s been cool to be inspired to by somebody else. And he’s younger than me. He’s like, 20 years old. So he knew what was up. And I guess you’re right, podcast, podcast, podcast, but it’s been really cool to get out there and just share my story and my voice and all of that.

Calvin Tilokee 12:49
Yeah, that’s awesome, man. So tell us more about variado management, what exactly is talent management?

Luis Lizarazo 12:56
So talent management, is it’s funny, you know, I have introductory meetings with every person that I work with. And I often compare it to working at Expedia. And what Expedia can do for hotels. So basically, Expedia helps to broaden a hotel’s reach by like improving their content and helping them to like get out to more people and improving their image, yada, yada, yada. They’ll you know, that pitch? Yeah, I’m doing that with people. Now. Instead of working with hotels, I’m helping people that are trying to make it in the entertainment industry, by connecting them when opportunities and also giving them insight and feedback into how best to operate in the entertainment industry. And so I’m trying to put a lot out there in terms of what I’m creating. But I’m also taking a lot of classes, and I’m having a lot of meetings, I’m trying to listen a lot, because I want to learn to you know, this is partly in my blood because I grew up around it. And I mean, you know, me, I’m pretty dramatic as a person. But, you know, this, I will say this company, and this job has really just brought together all the skills that I had before Expedia. And since, so it feels like a silver lining, because obviously with COVID, there was a lot that happened. It’s been really sad. I lost my therapist in March to COVID-19. Suddenly, um, he just stopped showing up to appointments. It was really, you know, traumatic, and that was like early on. And variado. I started in July. And it’s really based on you know, my mom’s experience. She had a lot of success in the last well throughout her career, but really in the last two years, she worked on an Emmy Award winning show with Mark buffalo called I know this much is true. And she like completely uprooted her life and move to Poughkeepsie to help film the show. And then mark wound up winning an Emmy for it. And that got me really excited. I mean, at this point, I was still at Expedia and about to go to whaler. And so yeah, I’m kind of just following my heart and trying to, you know, make sense as I go, because this whole world has become so crazy, you know?

Calvin Tilokee 15:29
Yeah. That’s awesome, dude. That’s really cool.

Luis Lizarazo 15:33
Thanks. Yeah, I’m really feeling like, everything. You know, there’s a good vibe. There’s a good vibe for me right now. Everything’s kind of like falling into place.

Calvin Tilokee 15:43
Yeah, that’s cool. Man. That’s cool. I Mikko jump in there.

Mikko Miller 15:49
I’m listening. I’m listening, actually, um, I was stalking his Instagram page a few days ago. And lewis is you do a lot of reading or you’ve actually picked up a couple of books from the post that I saw. And you do thank you, mom a lot on the post. So it looks like if this isn’t something where, you know, most people kind of jump in and kind of go off natural 10 you’re actually like doing research. You’re actually like doing like the legwork in the background work to kind of be a podcaster and be like this better person for your people. And like, what, what motivates that though? Like, what’s, why dig into books? Because I know why I would dig into a book to learn more about stuff. But why why would you?

Luis Lizarazo 16:33
Oh, thanks. That’s so nice of you to notice and ask. So it’s funny to my birthday is January 2, I’m a Capricorn.

Mikko Miller 16:41
I’m a third

Luis Lizarazo 16:43
year the third? Yes, sir. Yes. Oh my god. Okay, so you’re gonna get this because we’re actually born under the same stars, almost identical, because I was born at 2pm on the second. So basically, I am constantly driven by the idea of making it to the top of a mountain, and just like striving to be better and better every day, you know. So I like reading because it connects me to things that I wouldn’t be able to be connected to otherwise. When it comes to entertainment, for example, I really only like two kinds of entertainment, escapist entertainment that helps me to just live in a different world. Like I grew up watching the Wizard of Oz in Greece, and john waters, films and all these like, really can’t be out there things. But I also love watching things that helped me to learn. So as a kid, I watched Bob Vila. This old house, remember this old house? I used to be obsessed with Bob Vila. Like, obviously, I have daddy issues as a kid. That’s fine. I watched it all the time. I was in the, you know, that. Mr. Rogers Neighborhood and Bob Ross and all these things that helps you like Reading Rainbow obsessed, you know, all these things that help you to learn and as an adult, I try to keep that mentality. And so I’m, I read all the books I have. Some of them were gifts from Charlie, my interns, parents, he, they bought us both copies. I send him books all the time. So we’re reading the same things, so that we can speak the same languages. I want to tackle some really big topics in my podcasts like race and age, and, you know, and I just don’t feel comfortable speaking about that without reading a lot.

Calvin Tilokee 18:42
Yeah, that’s great, man. That’s great that you want to work, you know, if only more people were educate themselves before they open their mouth.

Luis Lizarazo 18:51
And yeah, I that’s part of it, too, is like, I’m trying to help create the world that I want to see, you know, so that’s why I’m doing and especially as a business owner now. And as you know, I have somebody I work with, I try to set an example for him, too. So there’s a lot that goes into this. Yeah, content creation. And partly, I mean, I think that’s why Sancerre the drag persona and everything I do to be escapist and wacky is, you know, now I have an outlet for that, too, which is also fun.

Calvin Tilokee 19:29
Yeah, no, that’s awesome. I’m glad you brought that up. Because part of what you were just saying is, you know, trying to create this space for conversation and that’s really why I wanted to have you on the show. And, you know, I thank you for being here and giving us the opportunity to have an open and honest conversation and ask questions that I personally have been afraid to ask in the past, you know, for fear of being looked at as homophobic or somebody that doesn’t understand. And in particular, I don’t particularly understand drag culture.

Mikko Miller 20:00
All right,

Calvin Tilokee 20:00
you know, I’m glad that you do what you do, and can help shed some light on it. So what is what is the appeal for you?

Luis Lizarazo 20:06
Thank you, you know, for being honest about that, I think that’s the biggest piece that I’ve learned from my reading is just to be like honest about your privilege and where you’re at, you know, so I think it’s great that you can own that, because that opens the conversation to make it a really easy one to have. For me drag culture. You know, it’s funny. I am obsessed with like RuPaul, and the modern drag culture that has developed and there’s a very, like, mainstream drag culture now, in that it’s on TV. And there’s, you know, RuPaul did holiday commercials for Old Navy and dragon out of drag,

Calvin Tilokee 20:56
you know, it’s good to get that commercial out of my head for weeks.

Luis Lizarazo 20:59
I know it was. Exactly, and Oh,

Calvin Tilokee 21:02
God, it was too catchy.

Luis Lizarazo 21:04
And so Exactly, and so you see it everywhere. But for me, it’s funny. I do love that part of it. But it’s very personal. The drag that I’ve been doing in that I’ve never been on stage. While I have actually, when I lived in DC, I used to do these, like dinner party competitions, and I would form and track, but it was like a private thing. yada yada, yada. I’ve never like, worked for tips as a drag queen. And I don’t think that I will, to be honest. But I love learning the art and having this creative outlet. And it’s been particularly helpful for me, during COVID as a way to escape, I would do drag in our one bedroom apartment in New York, which was a nice one bedroom. But still, my poor husband was going crazy in our one bedroom. Because when I get in the drag, it takes me like three or four hours. I Yeah, well, especially when I was first learning how to do my makeup and all of that. And so those were four hours that would fly by like, I just wouldn’t realize that I would start at two and then it was six. And it was like those hours were just gone. And I was in this like dream world. And then I started sharing it and the reception I got people were like, Oh my god, this is so uplifting. This is just what I needed right now you’re so hilarious. And then that made me want to do it more. And I totally feel that it’s because of COVID. And just feeling that like safety and being home and kind of by myself or with my husband and like it being safe. And then feeling like people really needed some sort of like, camp in their life, like and so camp and I guess I should explain that for anybody that’s not really familiar. But this idea of Camp is like taking yourself and making yourself so ridiculous or so over the top, that it’s an art form. And that’s what trag is to me and that’s why I do it. You know, and, and it’s made me braver in a lot of other ways. And yeah, I’m really grateful that I found it. I feel like thank God, I found that like, I don’t know, how I would have reacted if I hadn’t.

Calvin Tilokee 23:35
Yeah, that’s, that’s cool. That’s really interesting. So, from from the enjoyer standpoint, right, like from the audience, because one thing we were discussing, when we discussed the idea of bringing you on the show was you know, again, for me, I honestly just don’t get the appeal for a straight individual male or female to go out to a show and watch a man dressed as a woman singing right? But at the same time, I also don’t get these I think the proper tone would be like burlesque you know where these people go out to dinner and there’s a woman and you know, tassels and panties dancing on the table. Like I’m not interested in any of that

Mikko Miller 24:15
you know to

Calvin Tilokee 24:16
me, right? Yeah, you know,

Luis Lizarazo 24:18
oh my god I so am By the way, I go to this burlesque place. Hold company XIV I’m so into it. But really, it’s different strokes for different folks. Oh, yeah. You’re half naked men and half naked women. And they sing live and I’m really into it. But there’s something for everybody. And that’s why I feel to my point from earlier, safe doing what I’m doing. Because I’m not in public. I’m at home and I’m putting it on the internet. So it’s like if somebody is watching, I put all Sancerre stuff on Tick Tock too. And on Tick Tock. Sometimes people will comment these things and I’m like, why? Hi, are you watching the video? Like, I’m not doing anything that is inappropriate? If you don’t want to watch the video, just go to the next one. You don’t have any comment on it.

Calvin Tilokee 25:10
Yeah, I mean, yeah, you didn’t send it to your inbox. Right, exactly. I’m

Luis Lizarazo 25:14
not like spamming you with this. And that’s what I would say. Partly where my head is out when it comes to all of this, too, you know? Yeah,

Calvin Tilokee 25:23
yeah. And I think that’s, that’s just across the board. I mean, I’ve had many a rant on here about people just keep your mouth shut. If you don’t like what you see. Just keep it moving. You know, I didn’t ask you to follow me. I didn’t send this to you know, shut the hell up.

Mikko Miller 25:38
Too many finger warriors out there behind the keyboard, you know, the, the prospect of being anonymous and making a comment and no one figuring out who the hell you are. I think it gives people the balls to just comment, whatever they think is appropriate. Right. If it’s inappropriate, you know,

Luis Lizarazo 25:54
right. I mean, Taylor Swift nailed it. You know, say it in a tweet. That’s a cop out?

Mikko Miller 26:00
Yes. Yes. Yeah. Love that. Video, by the way.

Luis Lizarazo 26:06
Oh, my God. So good. Exactly. And that’s camp. That’s like, I mean, that’s also like gay, there’s drag queens and yada, yada, yada. But what she is doing in that is she is being campy. She’s embracing cam with everything she’s wearing and the way she portrays herself. That’s not Taylor. That’s a camp version of Taylor. That is supposed to help people escape what they’re going through.

Calvin Tilokee 26:29
Right. And they did that for the Met Gala recently, right?

Luis Lizarazo 26:32
Yeah, camp was the Met Gala ball theme, like two years ago. I guess it was either 2018 or

Calvin Tilokee 26:41
just like a bunch of wild shit like didn’t Katy Perry. The chandelier. Awesome.

Luis Lizarazo 26:45
Yeah. Oh, they were so amazing. And Celine Dion also came sort of like a chandelier. And oh, it was so cool. It would that was like, one of the end for me to like. That also was when I started thinking about doing drag to look that reignited my love for camp and just feeling like I needed like an opportunity to express myself more creatively. Those moon calls weren’t cutting it anymore.

Calvin Tilokee 27:16
I hear you, man. I hear you. That was before like all the funky backgrounds, and stuff like that. If you had that in him days, he could have he could have pull something off. But

Luis Lizarazo 27:25
oh, my god. I know. Right. I didn’t have a green screen back then. Just

Calvin Tilokee 27:28
Right. Right. Exactly.

Luis Lizarazo 27:30
The numbers would have been through the roof.

Calvin Tilokee 27:34
Put me Yeah, who’s not tuning into that? Well, tell us a bit about you know, you know, going back to when you were younger, before you were as confident as you are now to be out as Sancerre and being out of the closet, so to speak, if that’s still appropriate term. When did you know? How did you know? How did that conversation go with your family.

Luis Lizarazo 27:57
So I was pretty fortunate. So I grew up in Staten Island and I went to a really good high school. It was small, it was specialized. So you had to like we didn’t have to test when I went you just had to apply. But only a certain amount of people got in. And I felt really comfortable there being myself. And so I came out my junior year of high school going into my senior year, and I told my mom and my grandmother first. And my mom took it great. My grandmother who thought she was a mafioso. Like went to bed for three days. And then like brought me in three days later with like the windows, like, you know, the drapes drawn and like sat me down. But she got over it eventually. I think my dad was amazing. His reaction was just as long as he’s happy. And he loved my husband. I lost my dad a few years ago, but he he loved my husband. So you know, I for me, I was very lucky. I still carried around a lot of like guilt and shame until pretty recently. So that same therapist that I that I lost in March, his name was Dr. Carbone he was unbelievable. We did something called e MDR. Right before he passed away. It’s for trauma. And it’s a kind of therapy that you address traumatic experiences. And the amount that I let go because of that. And this is like right before COVID so I feel completely like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders because I’ve had this amazing therapy, then the guy dies, then we’re stuck all at home. So you know so I just feel like I’m this brand new person who’s like waiting for the world to reopen. But

Calvin Tilokee 29:51
yeah, that’s a that’s a great way to put it. So how old were you when you when you came out to your family.

Luis Lizarazo 29:57
I was 1615 Gonna be 16 the next day it was so dramatic. It was the millennium. It was, oh, I want to say maybe it was y2k. All right. So I’ll tell you the whole story is, so I worked at an Italian restaurant on Staten Island called Bella Mama. And one of the waitresses there was like, in her 40s or 50s, I was 15. She gave me like part of her like, muy Thai or something zon in my head at the beginning of the night, I had decided that in this year, I had realized I was gay. I like was attracted to men. I felt attracted to men. I felt like I kind of knew, you know, and I wanted to tell people because that was going to help me to become more of who I am, you know? So I was like, Alright, this year is gonna be the year. Well, after that my tie, I wound up telling my mom and my grandmother at like, 1208 Yeah, it did not take long for my 15 year old brain to think it was okay to do, which was an end. My mom was so amazing. Like, literally from the second I told her, she was like, let’s go dance. I’m like a busboy at this Italian restaurant, on Staten Island. You know, y2k on the dance floor at my mom. And she’s like, I always knew, I knew, since you were a little kid, you used to love putting on my bra. And then you would walk around, and I called my mom. And I said, I think my son is gay. And my mom said, Rita, you got to stop smoking all that pot. But look at look at it, you now have to say, I mean, you said Mikko, I like I really have been so grateful to my mom. She was very young when I was growing up. She was 18 when she had me. And so we had, you know, our ups and downs, but as an adult, and having one living parent, in brace, my drag persona so much and just like my creativity, and my mom is like my biggest supporter with all of this half my clothes that I wear to or like her clothes. And it just makes it like more. I don’t know, it makes it something that I’m like, not doing alone, you know?

Calvin Tilokee 32:30
Yeah, it’s a bit more personal to. Yeah, that’s great, man. That’s great. So last question on this one, before we move on, what advice would you give to other people who may be wanting to come out but may not have the kind of support you did?

Luis Lizarazo 32:49
Oh, my gosh. That’s really hard. You know, I give this a lot of thought. Because, as you know, variado is not just for people that are out of the closet. You know, I want people to feel like everybody belongs. And I think that’s something I’ve come to realize recently. I am a gay man. I’m a proud gay man. But recently, especially with Sancerre, and just meeting more and more people realizing I’m kind of gender non conforming, with all the, you know, I wear nail polish now, like all the time, basically. And I am doing drag and being really vulnerable. So I really identify largely as queer. And I think that queer is a broader term. And it makes me feel a little bit less, like I’m put in a box or that I’m labeled, like queer is just kind of something you say when something’s a little different than everything else, is if you put in any positive light. So I like that because I feel like if I identify as queer, hopefully that will help others to identify, if not as gay or bi, or whatever they might be, as a little bit different than everybody else, which is what I think I am. And, you know, I have been so lucky to read a lot and to be really privileged in terms of my education and my intellect, that I can learn all of this. And I’m learning more and more about identity, and how people identify and I’m trying to work with more people that are trans and non binary to give them support because I do feel at this point in my life, that I can eloquently defend myself and speak to my accomplishments in a way that makes me a qualified advocate for people and I want to be able to help others who may not be able to speak as strongly for themselves gain that courage. And I don’t necessarily think that coming out needs to be the first step anymore. Because sometimes coming out, like coming out is really an internal process, you know, and if you look at, like young kids, and like the generations that are just growing up with the internet and social media, they’re not necessarily coming out the same way I did in 2000. You know, it’s just something that they are.

Mikko Miller 35:39
Yeah, that’s true.

Calvin Tilokee 35:40
That’s a great way to put it again. I mean, it’s just, it’s who you are. Right? Yeah. It should need to be explained to anybody. So.

Luis Lizarazo 35:48
And I think the other thing to add on to that is that, you know, I was lucky at 16 1516, I really knew myself. And I was like, I’ve always been kind of an old soul. I knew myself well enough to know. But I don’t think everybody does. My husband didn’t come out till he was, you know, 24. I think everybody comes, like comes to an awareness of who they are at different times. And that’s why I like the idea of less labels, and more open labels, because I think it It helps people to feel more comfortable being themselves. So for a little while, I was like, a lot of people, I think, questioning why does it have to be LGBT I AQ Plus, like, isn’t that ridiculous? That’s so many things. But now, especially as I realized that I identify as the Q, as much as the G that every letter in there is important, and the letters that are often left out, like the eye,

Calvin Tilokee 36:55
and what does the I stand for?

Luis Lizarazo 36:56
The I stands for intersex, which is very misunderstood. Even by people that are intersex, it’s often misunderstood. So I’ll explain it quickly. Because I’m imagining people might be asking what is intersex is when somebody is born with genitalia, that is not traditionally representative of male or female. Okay, so you can’t really tell you know, it’s a little ambiguous. So typically, what will happen is that there’s genital mutilation involved, and the baby that may be one or the other, is raised as female. that that happens often, but not always. Anyway, the point is, sometimes people that are intersex don’t even know that they’re intersex because that happened when they were born. Right. You know, I just read a book called that woman. It’s about Wallis Simpson, who was the Duchess of Windsor. She was married to Edward, the king that advocated and she was vilified forever. And this book that was written in 2011, which I’ve read because I wanted to understand more about her and her vilification basically says that she was likely intersex and didn’t even know. And so a lot of the issues that she faced not being able to have children being married, feeling like manipulated and and forced and pushed around was likely because she allowed herself to be manipulated, because she was so afraid of her identity and gender issues being revealed.

Calvin Tilokee 38:50
Hmm. Interesting.

Luis Lizarazo 38:53
Isn’t that crazy?

Calvin Tilokee 38:54
It is crazy.

Luis Lizarazo 38:55
If we’re talking about almost 100 years ago, yeah. Yeah. And this woman had no idea why she was different. And now it kind of like, put her on this path to become this woman that was like greatly vilified in history, though.

Calvin Tilokee 39:15
She definitely was. We talked about this a few episodes ago, when we, we talked about the royal family, and I couldn’t remember her name, but I you know, I know the story of, you know, we watch the crown and, and all of these type of shows that talk about that period of time. And, I mean, her and her husband were completely vilified. I mean, for centuries, you know, and, I mean, I’m sure you still can’t say that name in Buckingham Palace. What reaction? You know, so it’s interesting that that that could have played a part.

Luis Lizarazo 39:47
Oh, yeah, it’s, I mean, this book was I will just say that with her second husband, at least she loved him until the end. Like she really loved that guy and did not want to leave him. She wanted to stay in that like kind of ambiguous polyamorous sort of situation. But she was forced by the king. So yeah, anyway, it’s a good book. I was obsessed with the crown season four and decided I was going to learn more about different members of the family and I started with Wallis Simpson.

Calvin Tilokee 40:22
Okay. Yeah, that’s a great show. Great show. So you kind of lead us into our final question here. This is his something that has been a debate for a few years now. As somebody who’s in the talent industry, I think you’ll have a good insight with it, too. How do you feel about straight actors playing gay or trans roles? Like, for example, Eddie Redmayne and in the Danish Girl?

Luis Lizarazo 40:48
Yeah, I think that, you know, that’s a few years back. And I’ll say the entertainment changes so quickly. You know, I think Eddie Redmayne did a good job with that role. There’s debate about that in our household of put it that way. I think that, hopefully, we’ll start looking at these things with a new lens. Eddie Redmayne in The Danish Girl is not as blatant of an example to me, as the me to movement perpetrator, who was on transparent, who’s also famous because he was on Arrested Development. And I think what happens in those situations, is that when performers are in a position of privilege, and they don’t check that privilege, when they’re around performers who are not transparent is a great example, because there were a lot of trans performers on that set that he took advantage of, similarly to the way I was talking about what Wallis Simpson, you know, when somebody doesn’t have the ability to be their own agent, and they really are easily manipulated by those with power. That’s when I think it becomes problematic, but I think the best performer is always who should be cast. Okay. And I think a lot of times, it’s going to be a trans performer who portrays a trans character best, and they just need to be given every opportunity to be in front of that casting director. But I think that in the end, the talent will show for itself, as long as it’s given the opportunity. Right.

Calvin Tilokee 42:44
Yeah, I think I think that’s the key word or most they got the opportunity then made the best man or person went, right.

Mikko Miller 42:50
I mean, we’ve come a long way from to Wong Foo.

Luis Lizarazo 42:54
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Oh, my Oh my God, but, honestly, so this is where like, you’ll never get me to say that Patrick Swayze should not have been in that role, like Patrick Swayze. And Wesley Snipes. And john Leguizamo, I will never say that those three should not have been cast. It was just a different time, you know, and we have to be, we have to recognize that and pose is a great show to recognize in that and I think what I’m hoping is that we’re going to see a change and a shift culturally, because of what we’ve all been through together.

Mikko Miller 43:32
I hope so because you’re right, representation is key and the best performers you get to partner apart. I mean, I don’t want to see Damon playing an Asian man in the Great Wall. You know what I mean? Like, like, stuff like that. It’s just kind of weird to me, you guys. Yeah,

Luis Lizarazo 43:48
it’s it’s not it’s not. It’s not the world that we live in. It’s Yeah, I don’t want to see that either.

Mikko Miller 43:57
Right. Like, how do you get to play that part? In the great wall? How does? It doesn’t make sense to me? Yeah, I

Calvin Tilokee 44:07
was like, who thought that was a good idea. You know? Well, now we got an insight on the entertainment industry, we’re gonna be able to ask Louis these kind of questions like, what the fuck was this person thinking?

Luis Lizarazo 44:19
You know, I think, oh, man, that’s, and that’s why I say what the entertainment industry too. It changes a lot. You know, like, it’s just, and that’s what’s cool. And that’s why I’m excited to be in it is it does change a lot. And I’m hoping that I think this like shook a lot of people. And between what we were experiencing before all of this in the entertainment industry with inclusivity, and you know, the me to movement, and then what we all experienced in terms of like civic uprisings with Black Lives Matter and really seeing people come together and developing communities. I hope that that bleeds into art.

Calvin Tilokee 45:02
Yeah, it should I mean, it should be a representation of society. Right. So hopefully as we get there, in society, it’s not to be reflected.

Luis Lizarazo 45:10
Right. The Corronasaince. That’s one of my

Calvin Tilokee 45:16
like, I like yeah, we have to use that. That’s definitely a clip is definitely gonna be, you know, social media promo clip right there.

Luis Lizarazo 45:23
Okay, good Corona. We’re in it, guys. Brian, middle stats. I gotta give him credit.

Calvin Tilokee 45:30
I like it. I like it. Cool. Cool. All right. Well, now it’s time for us to jump into our segments. Hopefully you’re sticking around.

Luis Lizarazo 45:37
I’ll stick around. I wrote down some ideas.

Calvin Tilokee 45:40
Say, here we go. Alright, so now for we’re gonna start off with Mikko jump up in a row.

Mikko Miller 45:49
Mine is more of a group than one particular jerk. The Republicans who flip flopped on Trump who are now saying that Trump caused more harm than good to the country. If you if an average person like me, who is not a Harvard graduate, an ivy leaguer, or a lawyer, and I didn’t study any of that stuff, if I knew within the first three months, that this POS was going to be so bad for the country that this is where we would end up. How come they didn’t. There’s lawyers in there. There’s judges and former senators and, you know, politicians of all intellectual abilities. How did they not know? So F Yeah.

Calvin Tilokee 46:34
I know, it’s not that they didn’t know it was Mac now was safe. Like now it’s, it’s in vogue to be against Trump, you know, but back then it wasn’t trying to lose, lose their seats or their power or whatever. I’m with you on that one. My jerk this week is Dan Campbell, who those of you have been following NFL at all. He’s the new coach of the Detroit Lions. And this dude goes to his introductory press conference. And just thoughts rattling off a bunch of nonsense, you guys Google it, check it out. But it’s like, basically is like, you know, if we get knocked down once, we’re gonna get up twice. And then if you knock us down again, we’re gonna get up. But on the way up, we’re going to rip off your kneecap. And then you’re going to knock us out three times. And we’re going to get up and we’ll rip off the other kneecap. And then you might knock us down again, but you know what, we’ll take a hunk it on the way up, but like, What the fuck are you talking about? Like, none of that shit is legal. It’s not that one fucking thing you just said can be done. Right? This is all penalties number one. But the only thing I kept thinking is like, this is the guy that got hired. Like, how bad was anybody else? You know to be? And it reminded me of Chris Rock, like who was so bad they lost to a crack in

Mikko Miller 47:58
the campaign, like don’t vote for crack

Calvin Tilokee 48:03
Bopha smack. I was like this fool. Like, he sounds like he’s high. He does sounds like a guy who had one too many beers at any bar in America. And it’s just like, talking a bunch of shit. And it’s like this. This is who you hire to represent your franchise. The head coach is your leader. Oh, Lord, and then we wonder why the Detroit Lions suck every season. Out of mercy.

Luis Lizarazo 48:30
Alright, so I speak Russian. Do you know that Calvin?

Calvin Tilokee 48:35
Yes, yes, I do.

Luis Lizarazo 48:37
Yeah, I kind of talked about it a lot. I’m pretty proud of it. So I speak Russian. I’ve lived in Russia. I’ve studied Russian democracy. And I want to be able to go back there one day, but I’m gonna just say it. I hate Putin. He this week with what happened will not even say Alexi navall. Nice name.

Mikko Miller 49:03
Right. Yeah, heard about that.

Luis Lizarazo 49:04
And alexei navalny is this kind of social media antagonist to Putin. And he’s trying to, he’s trying to, you know, he won 27% of the vote in a rigged election, which is crazy. Like so he has a veiled threat to Putin. And Putin won’t even see it in him like he’s Voldemort or something. And I heard that this week. And I just thought to myself, on I don’t like that jerk. I’m gonna say alexei navalny name as much as I can. And what’s really cool too, is when he starts a YouTube video. He says this ready at the navali which means this isn’t a volley. He doesn’t even call him like he doesn’t say this is Alexei or this is alexei navalny. He’s like, this navalny. Very Now, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Mikko Miller 50:08
The guy that was poisoned and then came back and then was locked up.

Luis Lizarazo 50:12
No, that’s this guy.

Mikko Miller 50:13
That’s the same this guy.

Luis Lizarazo 50:14
Yeah, the German he went to Germany. Yeah, he was poisoned that guy.

Mikko Miller 50:18
That’s what you heard about that Calvin right?

Calvin Tilokee 50:21
Yeah, you got poison in his underwear, right?

Mikko Miller 50:23
Yeah,

Luis Lizarazo 50:23
they put it in. Yeah, that’s some personal shit. You know? Like, you have to be some fucked up people to poison a guy. By putting it in the like, that is the most intimate place on my body trying

Calvin Tilokee 50:38
to kill somebody by a balls like

Louis, he’s, he’s making reference. Some episodes ago, we talked about stupid shit we did in college or like as younger to try to fit in. And I had I had pledged a fraternity for a while. And one of the the tests one day was we’ll have to wear jockey shorts. And they made us put hot sauce down there.

Luis Lizarazo 51:07
Oh, man. Oh, Jesus, who did that to yourself?

Calvin Tilokee 51:14
Should you forget? If I was gonna make fun of me to.

Luis Lizarazo 51:21
Like I’ve held on to underwear that had holes in them because the band was still there. You know? It’s like a very, it’s a it’s a treasured part of any man’s wardrobe. Right?

Mikko Miller 51:36
I laugh cuz it’s true.

Calvin Tilokee 51:43
Love it. Alright, so now it’s time for.

And Luis because you’re a guest, you automatically are in the hot seat. All right, well,

Luis Lizarazo 51:57
you know who I gotta say? And if you don’t know, then you’re gonna know right now, because he’s an 80 year old stud. And the day that his boss was no longer a psychopath. He went on TV and started talking about Mr. Anthony Fauci went on TV and started talking about what a nightmare it was to be under Donald Trump. You might as well have just been like, you know, it’s really nice to just be able to say something that’s true for once.

Calvin Tilokee 52:29
Have you seen the means where he’s people said like, he looks like a foster dog who just found his forever home?

Mikko Miller 52:34
Yeah.

Luis Lizarazo 52:34
I mean, it was it was so amazing. He was on CBS Sunday morning this week. He’s just such a stud. I think the way that he handled, Donald Trump was definitely I don’t know that shit. You just he

Calvin Tilokee 52:53
did. He did switch up the whole segment. Mikko, we should just keep it.

Mikko Miller 52:58
I like it.

Calvin Tilokee 53:01
I wait, Why’d we leave that in? It’s a remix. Is that I don’t know. That should remix. That’s okay. But just like ignition. We’re gonna have more than one.

Luis Lizarazo 53:09
Okay.

Calvin Tilokee 53:16
All right. So we ask you a trivia question. And if you know it, we will congratulate you. If you don’t, you gotta say I don’t know that shit. keeping it real.

Luis Lizarazo 53:25
All right. I got it. I’ll say it again.

Calvin Tilokee 53:30
All right, so of the countries bordering the Mediterranean Sea. These two on opposite sides of it are the smallest and the largest in the area. Okay. Do not googling is the Mikko.

Luis Lizarazo 53:49
No, no, no, I’m just I’m so I think on one side. It’s Turkey. That’s the biggest is my gas. And then on the other side, I guess it’s Portugal.

Calvin Tilokee 54:07
I’ll give you a hint. I’ll give you you’re looking at it. east to west or West east. Oh, it’s

Luis Lizarazo 54:12
got the Northeast.

Calvin Tilokee 54:14
Yeah, no, it doesn’t have to be but it is north and south. So look, think of it that way instead.

Luis Lizarazo 54:18
All right, shoot. All right. All right.

Calvin Tilokee 54:21
That’s your one lifeline. Oh, shoot. Alright, so

Luis Lizarazo 54:25
is the biggest country in Africa. Oh, and it’s on opposite sides. Yeah. Okay. So the biggest is Oh my god. I don’t know that

Mikko Miller 54:42
shit.

Calvin Tilokee 54:48
Yeah, so that it is an Africa is Algeria. I never would have said and Monaco.

Luis Lizarazo 54:57
I was I might have said Monaco, but I don’t think I was gonna set that either.

Mikko Miller 55:02
Yeah, I wasn’t thinking

Calvin Tilokee 55:05
yeah, you in the area in the neighborhood. So that was good.

Luis Lizarazo 55:09
All right, you guys are too kind.

Calvin Tilokee 55:12
Alright, now it’s time for everybody’s favorite. I got Ritt Momney. You know, doesn’t

Mikko Miller 55:22
know Is that

Calvin Tilokee 55:24
okay? So Ritt Momney is some music artists I didn’t even bother googling because I just I can’t be bothered. It’s just some. I don’t know if it’s a group or a solo artist. But basically we all know that what they did was change one letter on the first and last name just swapped it from mitt romney who is a politician. So I’m like, oh, wow, real creative, right? And the reason I even know who the fuck they are, is because they have a song on the radio called girl put your records on somebody out there saying that a song? You’re right, because that is just a cover of a great song by Corinne Bailey Rae. Okay, Corinne Bailey Rae, she wrote and performed the original song, which is fantastic. It’s one of those songs that which need no improvement. So, not only did these fuckheads make their name out of just swapping the first letter of a politician’s name. Their hit song is a cover of a great song that needed no improvement. So you have no creativity whatsoever is what I’m here. Man. Get the fuck off. My alarm.

Mikko Miller 56:36
is better than Milli Vanilli I guess? Yeah, I

Calvin Tilokee 56:42
guess I guess. I’d be But listen, I mean, I was jamming to Milli Vanilli back in a day. If you don’t under rain. That was my shit and on rain girl, you know what’s true. Love it

Mikko Miller 57:07
might get off my lawn is people that just talk so goddamn loud that everyone can hear their business. So here’s a specific example. About two weeks ago, there was a I want to say he’s 17 years old in my neighborhood. screaming and his girlfriend on the parking lot outside talking about how he’s so upset that he dated a hole because she cheated on him. He’s yelling at the top of his lungs. I loved you. But you’re a hole. I can’t believe why I dated you. But please get back with me. He’s telling her she’s a hoe and getting upset that she cheated. But then he wants her back. So nine o’clock at night, you know, I wake up, but crack of dawn. I go outside, you know, as curious as a person could be me and like 12 other neighbors come outside. And he’s just going on and on. So I just said, Hey, keep it down. This fool got the nerve to look at me and say why don’t you mind your own fucking business?

Calvin Tilokee 58:07
Oh, we’re

Mikko Miller 58:08
just like,

Luis Lizarazo 58:09
Oh, no, he did he

Mikko Miller 58:11
Yes. Yes. And then he started coming across the street. Like he was about to go do something. Okay. So, you know, I’m not a punk. So I stopped walking across the street to and then he stopped dead in his tracks. And he said, with a little tear in his eye. Why don’t people just leave me alone in mind their fucking business? I’m like, get the fuck out of here. Like you made it your business by talking and yelling out loud at you girls. Oh, I like everybody’s business now. Exactly. Ain’t got the nerve to be like, Oh, my hero fucking business. I like Who the fuck you talking to? Yeah,

Calvin Tilokee 58:46
I’d be talking to the whole neighborhood, bro. is like the kid saying on social media. Now. She belongs to the streets.

Mikko Miller 58:54
Yes.

Calvin Tilokee 58:59
Right, right. She’s everybody’s home now. Yeah. I need to know. The rest of the story.

Mikko Miller 59:10
City Community city. Chris Rock young folks?

Calvin Tilokee 59:18
Oh, yes. Yes. Well, that’s a perfect segue into our Chris Rock quote of the week.

Mikko Miller 59:24
Mine is more about gay marriages. And what Chris Rock was saying about. People always say we can’t have gay marriages because marriage is a sacred institution in America. Marriage is a sacred institution that happens in the church. It’s sacred. No, it’s not. Marriage ain’t sacred. Not in America. Not in a country that watches who wants to marry a millionaire in the bachelor in the bachelorette. And who wants to marry a midget? Get the fuck out of here. Shit. Gay people have the right to be as miserable as everybody else.

Calvin Tilokee 1:00:12
Oh, man,

Luis Lizarazo 1:00:14
how appropriate. Thank you. Did you know I was married? I love you, honey. I’m just kidding.

Mikko Miller 1:00:28
I didn’t know you were married though. I did not know.

Luis Lizarazo 1:00:30
Yeah, we’re married six years. Six years. Thank you. Thanks.

Mikko Miller 1:00:34
Happily miserable. Happy. Yeah, you

Luis Lizarazo 1:00:37
know, we have our ups and downs. But I love him. I love but I’ll say, you know, it’s like marriage really is a commitment. It’s a you know, it’s a slog, especially with COVID. And my husband’s married to a drag queen. Now that can’t be easy. So yeah, exactly. Not signed up for that. So she’s got so much shit. Anyway, so yeah. But yeah, thanks. That’s

Calvin Tilokee 1:01:07
a perfect quote. Alright, so mine is, you know what’s fucked up. Everybody gets a homophobic people, we need to cut that shit up. Because everybody in this room got at least a gay cousin. Every last one, or you got a gay cousin. You know, he was gay. When the I was kids. You was playing ball. He was jumping rope. He didn’t turn gay. He was gay, then. He just had nobody to be gay with.

Mikko Miller 1:01:40
I mean, my uncle is gay. He has plenty of boyfriends. He has a lot of suitors he’s out in and he’s known according to my dad, he’s known since he was like, four or five. That mom who was a monk who knew he was gay then and I think Louis was saying like, it’s, it’s sometimes it’s hard for people to come out. Or it’s not even a necessity for people to come out anymore. But sometimes, you know, at a young age, like your mom knew, at a young age that you were and sometimes it’s obvious, but sometimes it’s not so obvious. I’m, I don’t want to say his name, Cal. But we have a friend that went to college with us. And you can kind of guess who it was. And he was kind of pretty, just too pretty for his own good. And come to find out later on that he’s bisexual, which is cool. But you know, we all kind of knew and who if he would have opened up in college, I think he would have had a better college experience. Yeah, yeah. He, you know, you know, I’m talking about?

Calvin Tilokee 1:02:37
Yeah, yeah, I think I do, man. Yeah, that’s, that’s messed up that he wouldn’t feel comfortable to come out. You know, we had a friend like that in high school, as well. And looking back at it, he’s never come out to us, but I’m certain that he is. And we look back at the behavior. And it’s like, yeah, I think he was trying to tell us without telling us, but we were so oblivious to everything back in those days. And we were too busy, you know, chasing girls. And I think it was just not as much in the public conversation as it is now. And he’s angry in a lot of ways. You know, like, he lashed out a lot. And now you realize, that probably played a part. He was just he was trying to be somebody that he wasn’t, and that she would make anybody angry, I think.

Luis Lizarazo 1:03:22
Yeah, yeah,

Calvin Tilokee 1:03:24
definitely. Yeah. It’s just sad that those guys didn’t feel comfortable with us as friends to say that, you know,

Luis Lizarazo 1:03:30
and I think, you know, just something I said earlier, that you guys should cut yourself some slack. It’s not always that there needs to be this moment. You know, as long as you were accepting, and you were friends. You know, they still probably, that’s life, you know, like, they they probably they didn’t know at the time. They may not know now, and yeah, you know, that’s just kind of life. And you just got to meet people. And this is something I say, like, all my meetings now, you just got to meet people where they’re at, you know, and not necessarily expect that everybody’s life is going to have this lag, linear, sorta milestone, coming of age moments, because sometimes that just doesn’t happen. And I think particularly I know you guys went to HBCU. Right. And particularly within the African American community, bisexuality is often more taboo, and harder to come say, because of the nature of what that means for relationships, you know? Yeah, so it’s true. Yeah, I know that a good thing to keep in mind as well. Yeah.

Calvin Tilokee 1:04:47
Yeah. I mean, of course, I mean, we were young, right? We were

Luis Lizarazo 1:04:49
young. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. When you’re young. And, you know,

Calvin Tilokee 1:04:53
I even talk about not really even coming into my own or figuring out who I am until, like, around 30 I think When you really settle into like I am, this is what I like, this is what motivates me. And, you know, so I mean, I’m certainly not judging is just, I think to be Oh, yeah, no, I didn’t. Yeah, no, I’m not I’m not saying that. Yeah, I just think, you know, to Mikko’s point, he would have probably enjoyed life a lot more than Oh, for sure. How do you come to terms with that? I’ve been ready to accept it or whatever the case may be. But, you know, hopefully he’s doing well. Yeah. All right. Well, great conversation today, man. Luis, thank you so much for coming through and allowing us to have this Convo with you was very enlightening. And we’ll hope to have you back in the man cave sometime soon.

Luis Lizarazo 1:05:42
Yeah, thanks so much. You guys. Check out my podcast too shedding light with an entertainment if you get a chance. And we’re there’ll be conversations like the one we had, and I’m just so appreciative that you guys had me on and we could have an open and authentic conversation because I think yeah, that’s really what’s going to be the change in the world, you know?

Calvin Tilokee 1:06:03
Absolutely. Absolutely. Now time for the outros. Oh, well, before we do that, we got a shout out this week. We got a five star review on iTunes. Dave you got to hit him with this one comes in from @andyv2v. love listening to the podcast every week. really dope people still can’t believe Mikko thinks it’s okay to take a vacation and miss the first episode of The New Year. Nonetheless, so as always filled with laughs Cheers. Andy, thank you for the review. You are automatically entered to win a free midlife crisis tumbler. So sign up for the newsletter and we will be announcing that in February’s newsletter so you leave a five star review. Show us some love, you got a chance to win some swag. And, as always, this is Calvin you can find me on Instagram at Revparblems ref par travels ref par growth. ref par media Just go to revparblems.com catch it all in one place.

Mikko Miller 1:07:04
And this is Mikko to Filipino catch me on Instagram at Mikko underscore eats.

Luis Lizarazo 1:07:10
This is Luis Lizarazo, President of variado talent. You can find me at variadotalent.com and at Luis Lizarazo on Instagram, and Twitter.

Calvin Tilokee 1:07:21
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